Bad Hawaiian Laws??

[SpiderMan1984]

Hello;

Like most of you all I tell alot of people about my desires to live in Hawaii. Well one of my friends tell me that they know someone that lives in Hawaii and desprately wants to leave due to the laws in the state. Now this isn't likely to drive me away from wanting to live in paradise but it is one of the reasons I plan on avoiding Cailifornia.

Anyways one of the Laws she points out is the states gun laws (I happen to own a gun, and have intrest in purchaseing others) She said that the state requires you to get a permit to own a gun and that it is illeagle to fire them. She also complains about self protection laws involveing guns, Which dosn't really bother me because I'm an enthuseist and really have no intrest in popping a cap in anyones mule-like animal. But I wouldn't mind getting my gun off once in a while.

Anywayse the Topic I'm getting to is. Are the Gun laws in Hawaii really that bad?? and are there any other laws that locals find, or think might be annoying to others. (Namely myself... hehe)

[Mookie]

WOW! Are you kidding????

Hawaii is just beautiful and the last thing I think as I am looking at the breathtaking mountians, volcano craters, beaches,farm land, lava beds, water falls, rain forrests...is...

"This is so beautiful if I was just packing some heat the whole thing would be complete."

or better yet

"All that is missing here is the sound of gun fire."


Oh and I live in California and we don't want ya either..call Chuck Heston..maybe he can get a ya a place in his compound.
And if ya came to spout amandment rights...I have rights too and my husband is active duty military so he defends mine and yours...

Get over yourself and google yourself a good Montana visitors board.....

[u_c2moore]

Not sure about the gun laws in Hawaii....

I thought in all states you were required to purchase a permit and weren't allowed to shoot your weapon were ever you wanted.

I don't believe that any laws that restrict gun use are annoying, especially in states that are every densely populated such as Hawaii.

I've sh o t many different types of guns in the military and have no interest in owning one or shooting one for the fun of it.

[Halfpint]

She said that the state requires you to get a permit to own a gun and that it is illeagle to fire them

Are you saying you own guns without a permit? I am pretty sure that is illegal in any of our states. Hell, even in Alaska, you have to get a permit. This is not a state law, it is a federal law. Granted, getting the permit is a simple matter if you have a clean criminal record and can wait three days.

As for firing off a few rounds, I sure hope they do have laws against that, as has been pointed out Oahu is a small area heavily populated and I don't want to go hiking down a trail and have to worry about some dumbass firing off a few rounds to make him feel more like a man. I already had enough experience biking around trails specifically created for biking and seeing some stupid I wish I wasn't a SPAM LOOSER with an ED problem dumbasses firing off handguns "for fun" right in line with where people bike. In their judgement, they thought it was a safe spot to fire the gun. In my judgement, they were firing right in line with a biking trail 20 yards away. Personally, I don't wan't people with guns coming up with their own judgement on where it is safe to fire off a few rounds. Go to a firing range or something, probably a couple on the island.

[SpiderMan1984]

Dang, I have never seen such hostility on this board...

I belive I was misunderstood, First off gun laws are deternined by the state you live in. In both states I have lived in gun laws are pretty loose. You are required to have a background check to purchase a gun through a dealer, but basicly a gun can exchange hands leagley in a parking lot between to citazians. No paper work or anything. (although I don't belive this is an intelegent way to sell a gun since the buyer could use it for illeagle purposes and the original buyer, the person who got it from the dealer would be the first to be questioned.)

anyways I also didn't say that you should be able to shoot a gun anywhere you want. again the laws in the states I lived in do not allow a person to fire a gun within city limits, but if you live outside of city limits you may fire your gun on your propertity. again I think that common sence comes into play here but for me to imediately be called a redneck because I choose to own or operate a gun within the boundrys of the law is just not fair.

and a note to you nonhaole, I do not own a confed. flagged pick-up truck, and if you have paid any kind of attention to my previous post I would hope you wold know me better than to say I have redneck, hee-haw values. I was mearly inquireing as to the validity of my friends comments. and I think that exploreing the laws in a state that you are intrested in liveing in is an importiant thing to do before you move there.

Gun laws aside, I think that my original question is a valid one for this forum... Are there any weird laws in the state of Hawaii that a person looking to live in the state should know about before they sell or move everything they own to an Island??

[Mookie]

Dang, I have never seen such hostility on this board...


anyways I also didn't say that you should be able to shoot a gun anywhere you want. again the laws in the states I lived in do not allow a person to fire a gun within city limits, but if you live outside of city limits you may fire your gun on your propertity. again I think that common sence comes into play here but for me to imediately be called a redneck because I choose to own or operate a gun within the boundrys of the law is just not fair.

Have you ever been to Hawaii??? ..I have researched your posts and I can only find you are 21 ish and live with your parents and might have moved to Clearwater FL but are struggling with leaving home and your parents... and list World Domination as one of your goals??

and a note to you nonhaole, I do not own a confed. flagged pick-up truck, and if you have paid any kind of attention to my previous post I would hope you wold know me better than to say I have redneck, hee-haw values. I was mearly inquireing as to the validity of my friends comments. and I think that exploreing the laws in a state that you are intrested in liveing in is an importiant thing to do before you move there.

and I will ask again...have you ever been to Hawaii?

as far as exploring "weird laws" where you move... The term "weird" ,as you have gathered from this post, is totally subjective. What you as a 21 year old who has not traveled much and I as a 45 year old who has been a few more places and experianced more...find "weird" may not be the same. I personally think it is weird not to move some where because you can't discharge a fire arm in your back yard.... But then that is just me....

[SpiderMan1984]

No Mookie, I haven't had the opertunity to visit Hawaii Maybe one day.

and at this point i have mangaed to leave home. but I have landed in Utah for the time being. atleast it has better job opertunities.

and yes not liveing where you want because of a gun hobbie may or may not be logical, depends mostly on your priorities i guess, Like I said when I started this thread, it my or may not sway me. I just wanted to know the score....

[Mookie]

No Mookie, I haven't had the opertunity to visit Hawaii Maybe one day.

and at this point i have mangaed to leave home. but I have landed in Utah for the time being. atleast it has better job opertunities.

and yes not liveing where you want because of a gun hobbie may or may not be logical, depends mostly on your priorities i guess, Like I said when I started this thread, it my or may not sway me. I just wanted to know the score....

Based on the reaction you are getting here,from folks who have been to Hawaii, even if it is legal, you may find your neighbors, friends and co-workers feeling a bit "WEIRD" about your need to fire a gun in Paradise, on your own property or otherwise...so legal or not it might just now make you too popular...

With that goal of World Domination you aspire to, you have to have some allies...

[princess]

and yes not liveing where you want because of a gun hobbie may or may not be logical, depends mostly on your priorities i guess,

So what exactly are your priorities? I'm curious as to the need for some people to want to own firearms in the first place. Granted some circumstances call for them (police, security, etc) and they can be a necessary evil. For example, over here we have quite strict laws for firearms. Farmers mainly own them for the purposes of protecting their stock against feral species as well for the purpose of euthanising an animal if it is badly hurt and cannot be treated and saved (remember that some of our outback stations are literally days away from any sort of help). Other people choose shooting as a sport (and I'm talking target shooting, not animal shooting) but in this situation I believe the gun clubs should also be responsible for the use of the firearms and store them in an appropriate facility so people can't just take them out willy nilly and fire off a few rounds wherever they want.

princess

[Mickey]

Hmmm, it's strange how people have a great aversion to owning guns, possibly without having ever owned one. As a mater of fact if it's fear of being killed with a gun, more people are killed with screwdrivers, kitchen knives, etc. etc. than with guns.

I don't own a gun at present, but I got my first shotgun as a Christmas present from my dad at age 16. Bear in mind that we lived in the country, and when my dad was growing up if the family wanted meat, they usually went hunting for rabbit, squirel, groundhog, etc. They didn't hunt 'possum usually because the meat is too greasy. Owning a gun was part of the tradition of our area. Ususally it was a shotgun, sometimes a rifle and rarely a pistol.

All that said, the best place to check on gun laws might be the Hawaii Rifle Association at http://www.hawaiirifleassn.org/ or the Chinese Gun Club of Hawaii at http://www.lava.net/~hibobg/cgc/cgc.html and by following some of the links there.

As for weird laws, they are everywhere. Check Law Guru at http://www.lawguru.com/weird/index.html to see some of them. Also see the Dumb Laws site at http://www.dumblaws.com/ .

In Hawaii:

All residents may be fined as a result of not owning a boat.

Coins are not allowed to be placed in one's ears.

Here in Ohio:

In Ohio, if you ignore an orator on Decoration day to such an extent as to publicly play croquet or pitch horseshoes within one mile of the speaker's stand, you can be fined $25.

Women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public.

It is illegal to fish for whales on Sunday.

It is illegal to get a fish drunk.

The Ohio driver's education manual states that you must honk the horn whenever you pass another car.

Participating or conducting a duel is prohibited.

Breast feeding is not allowed in public. (NOTE: Recently, a law was passed that makes it legal to breast feed in public. MES )

It is illegal for more than five women to live in a house.

It is illegal to mistreat anything of great importance.

No one may be arrested on Sunday or on the Fourth of July.

And since you have moved to Utah, watch out:

It is against the law to fish from horseback.

It is illegal not to drink milk.

It is illegal to detonate any nuclear weapon.

Birds have the right of way on all highways.

A husband is responsible for every criminal act committed by his wife while she is in his presence.

You're not allowed to sell beverages containing more than 3.

It is a felony to persistently tread on the cracks between paving stones on the sidewalk of a state highway.

It's legal for restaurants to serve wine with meals, but only if you ask for the wine list.

It is considered an offense to hunt whales.

No one may have favors in the back of an ambulance if it is responding to an emergency call.

Alcohol may not be sold during an emergency.

Individuals may not possess beer in containers larger than two liters unless they are a retailer.

Boxing matches that allow biting are not allowed.

It is illegal to cause a catastrophe.

Check out the other states too. Also on the Law Guru site, check the international dumb laws.

Mickey

[SpiderMan1984]

Thankyou Mickey. Yours is the first post in this thread that was not only helpful, but managed to not ridicule me for haveing an intrest in firearms. That is the type of information I was looking for. and some of your examples where classic...

[brasiliera]

I just read the lottery law in NC ...

So, does that now mean that the government, itsself is breaking the law about lotteries?

Read on...

The mere possession of a lottery ticket is illegal in North Carolina and may result in a $2,000 fine.

Full TextFull text of the Law? 14-290. Dealing in lotteries.

Except in connection with a lawful raffle as provided in Part 2 of this Article, if any person shall open, set on foot, carry on, promote, make or draw, publicly or privately, a lottery, by whatever name, style or title the same may be denominated or known; or if any person shall, by such way and means, expose or set to sale any house, real estate, goods, chattels, cash, written evidence of debt, certificates of claims or any other thing of value whatsoever, every person so offending shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor which may include a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000). Any person who engages in disposing of any species of property whatsoever, including money and evidences of debt, or in any manner distributes gifts or prizes upon tickets, bottle crowns, bottle caps, seals on containers, other devices or certificates sold for that purpose, shall be held liable to prosecution under this section. Any person who shall have in his possession any tickets, certificates or orders used in the operation of any lottery shall be held liable under this section, and the mere possession of such tickets shall be prima facie evidence of the violation of this section.

(1834, c. 19, s. 1; R.C., c. 34, s. 69; 1874-5, c. 96; Code, s. 1047; Rev., s. 3726; C.S., s. 4428; 1933, c. 434; 1937, c. 157; 1979, c. 893, s. 4; 1983, c. 896, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 200; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)

[Mookie]

Hmmm, it's strange how people have a great aversion to owning guns, possibly without having ever owned one. As a mater of fact if it's fear of being killed with a gun, more people are killed with screwdrivers, kitchen knives, etc. etc. than with guns.

Mickey

I never said we don't own or shoot guns..but we don't use the local laws as criteria to move somewhere.....

Now if they thought about out lawing Beagles laying on couches...we might think about it...

[princess]

Hmmm, it's strange how people have a great aversion to owning guns, possibly without having ever owned one. As a mater of fact if it's fear of being killed with a gun, more people are killed with screwdrivers, kitchen knives, etc. etc. than with guns.
Mickey

Mickey, I'm not sure if you were referring to any one comment in particular (cos you're usually pretty straight up, which I respect) but for myself I would just like to clarify that I personally do not have an aversion to people owning guns. I have an aversion to the wrong people owning guns for the wrong reasons. I do own a number of firearms and am also required to use them for work. I fired my first rifle when I was 8 and have been around guns all of my life. It was a necessity for us as we lived on a farm and at times were required to use them to kull feral animals (which is legal) as well as for humane purposes for animals like I outlined in my previous post. Now this is not to say that I go yippy shooting every chance I get. In fact I rarely have to use them at all and when I do it is for a specific purpose and in a very controlled environment. Just wanted to clear that up.

Amusing some of those "weird" laws that are floating around.
Here are a few for Australia that were on lawguru.com:

Children may not purchase cigarettes, but can smoke them.

You may never leave your car keys in an unattended vehicle.
It is illegal to roam the streets wearing black clothes, felt shoes and black shoe polish on your face as these items are the tools of a cat burglar.

It is illegal to read someone's tarot, or give them a psychic reading as these are forms of witchcraft.

Under Australian Communications Authority (ACA) regulations, your modem can't pick up on the first ring. If it does the ACA permit for your modem is invalid and there's a $12000 fine. - Telecommunications Act 1991.



Children may not purchase cigarettes, but can smoke them.

You may never leave your car keys in an unattended vehicle.
It is illegal to roam the streets wearing black clothes, felt shoes and black shoe polish on your face as these items are the tools of a cat burglar.

It is illegal to read someone's tarot, or give them a psychic reading as these are forms of witchcraft.

Under Australian Communications Authority (ACA) regulations, your modem can't pick up on the first ring. If it does the ACA permit for your modem is invalid and there's a $12000 fine. - Telecommunications Act 1991.


Children may not purchase cigarettes, but can smoke them.

You may never leave your car keys in an unattended vehicle.

It is illegal to roam the streets wearing black clothes, felt shoes and black shoe polish on your face as these items are the tools of a cat burglar.

It is illegal to read someone's tarot, or give them a psychic reading as these are forms of witchcraft. (though this is now a common practice and done through businesses so probably has changed)

Under Australian Communications Authority (ACA) regulations, your modem can't pick up on the first ring. If it does the ACA permit for your modem is invalid and there's a $12000 fine. - Telecommunications Act 1991.



princess

[u_c2moore]

Here's one from Massachusetts!

~Shooting ranges may not set up targets that resemble human beings.

Apparently the military doesn't have to abide by this law....... As I've shot at many targets in the shape of people.....

[Hawaiidreamin]

These laws for NY are hilarious

A fine of $25 can be levied for flirting. This old law specifically prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking "at a woman in that way." A second conviction for a crime of this magnitude calls for the violating male to be forced to wear a "pair of horse-blinders" wherever and whenever he goes outside for a stroll.

It is against the law to throw a ball at someone's head for fun.

A license must be purchased before hanging clothes on a clothesline.

The penalty for jumping off a building is death.

[turtleman]

Wow--I would have had to have those Blinders a loooooooong time ago.
Have you heard the old saying--just because a man is on a diet does not mean he can't look at the menu.

[Hawaiidreamin]

Yes, that's a variation of the "Seefood" diet- Where you see food and eat it...

[princess]

That's like will power. I have plenty of will power but it's the lack of won't power that lets me down he he

princess

[princess]

Thankyou Mickey. Yours is the first post in this thread that was not only helpful, but managed to not ridicule me for haveing an intrest in firearms. That is the type of information I was looking for. and some of your examples where classic...

Mate, I honestly think you're taking these posts out of context. You'll find that the vast majority of people on these boards are pretty straight up in telling you if they have a problem and I've found that unless they specifically direct their comments at you by saying "Spiderman, I think you're crazy", for example, then they are usually just commenting on the topic in general. So please don't think people are ridiculing you.

Secondly I can completely understand everyone's concerns with anyone owning a gun of any sort, hence I asked you previously why you choose to own firearms. I believe I can adequately comment on the possession, use and control of firearms given my involvement with them for the past two decades. I have found that generally (but not always) the people who are most fearful of guns are those who have had little to no exposure to them. Often is the case in accidental shootings that the person who fired the weapon didn't have much experience with them (therefore didn't realise it was loaded or that the safety catch was not on etc). I also understand that fear of guns comes from an ever-increasing voilent society where you just do not know if your next door neighbour or the person at your social club owns a gun and might just go scitz one day. There's a lot of uncertainty about it all.

princess

[Ragin Cajun]

we have indoor and outdoor firing ranges on O'ahu. Not sure what the laws are though.

[yoloha]

all newcomers to the islands bringing in their guns must register them with the police within 3 days of whenever they were brought in.pistol magazines over 10 rounds are prohibited and are misdemeanors if caught.no capacity limit on rifle magazines.
many newcomers to the islands bring their guns by container,mail,etc.,and never register them but also just have them stored away and can't legally hunt or target shoot with them in hawaii.the islands are filled with feral pigs,goat,etc.,
that are hunted and stainless steel guns with polymer stocks are best for the salty and moist climate.a gun is just a tool that can supply one with food or save one's life.the day some meth-crazed dopehead with an axe climbs in your window is the day you wish you had a smooth firing stainless steel 9mm italian-made beretta in your hands to rapid-fire into his numbskull.

[Mookie]

a gun is just a tool that can supply one with food or save one's life.the day some meth-crazed dopehead with an axe climbs in your window is the day you wish you had a smooth firing stainless steel 9mm italian-made beretta in your hands to rapid-fire into his numbskull.

How did we not see this coming...

[Mickey]

Hmmm, it's strange how people have a great aversion to owning guns, possibly without having ever owned one. As a mater of fact if it's fear of being killed with a gun, more people are killed with screwdrivers, kitchen knives, etc. etc. than with guns.

Mickey

I never said we don't own or shoot guns..but we don't use the local laws as criteria to move somewhere.....

Now if they thought about out lawing Beagles laying on couches...we might think about it...

Actually, I wasn't singleing out anyone on this list. It was just an observation I have seen on many, many boards/sites and personal conversations.

There was, however, around eight or so posts before there was any information posted that was an answer to his question.

Beagles? Not too bad on the couch. I used to have a Great Dane that would sit on the couch with her front feet on the floor! No one taught her, one day she just decided to sit like people.

Mickey

[Hawaiidreamin]

That is too funny about the Great Dane Mickey